Friday, July 3, 2026

late convo with Me & Mu

 



Me: Mu, today went to Fedex and successfully printed new copies of all Exhibits, including a screen shot from ATT call log  from April 24 where I spoke with the Thousand Oaks AAA agent for a 17 minute conversation where I was told the Claim was still open, and subsequent email from the Unit Manager referring me to counsel. That said, late thought is: what can you tell me about The Doctrine of Absurdity, and maxim or statute(s) about substance over form, and whether I might employ either or both.


Mu: Both are worth knowing and both have potential application here. Let me walk you through each.


THE DOCTRINE OF ABSURDITY

The Doctrine of Absurdity is a principle of statutory and legal interpretation holding that a court should not adopt an interpretation of a law, contract, or legal instrument that produces an absurd, unreasonable, or unjust result, even if that interpretation might be literally supported by the text. The underlying logic is that legislatures and contracting parties do not intend absurd outcomes, and courts should interpret language in a way that avoids them.


In California the doctrine appears most commonly in statutory construction. The California Supreme Court has articulated it in various forms — most accessibly in the principle that statutes must be construed to avoid results that are "absurd, harsh, or unreasonable." (Lakin v. Watkins Associated Industries (1993) 6 Cal.4th 644, 658-659; People v. Robles (2000) 23 Cal.4th 789, 799.)


How it applies to your case:


Respondent's core position, stripped to its essence, is this: IEAC can settle a bodily injury claim based on an uninvestigated, unverified, self-serving third party assertion; transmit a negligent operator point to the DMV corrupting a public record; withhold its investigative basis from the insured; and face no judicial remedy because the insured's only avenue is a civil lawsuit that cannot correct the public record.


That is, on its face, an absurd result. It means an insurer's error, once transmitted to a government database, becomes permanently unreviewable at the insurer's sole discretion. It means the mandatory investigation and complete response requirements of 10 CCR §§ 2695.5(b) and 2695.7(d) are effectively toothless against the one category of harm — DMV record corruption — where they matter most to policyholders. It means the legislature enacted consumer protection regulations that protect consumers in every situation except the one where protection is most urgently needed.


You can invoke the Doctrine of Absurdity directly in the Memorandum — particularly in Section J on the scope of available writ relief — to argue that any interpretation of the Fair Claims Settlement Practices Regulations that produces this result must be rejected. The argument would read something like: "An interpretation of 10 CCR §§ 2695.5(b) and 2695.7(d) under which an insurer's ministerial duties evaporate the moment an erroneous report reaches a government database produces precisely the absurd result the doctrine forbids — a consumer protection framework that protects consumers in every circumstance except the one in which they most need protection."


SUBSTANCE OVER FORM


The substance over form doctrine holds that courts look to the actual substance and effect of a transaction, instrument, or action rather than its formal label or superficial appearance. What something is matters more than what it is called.

In California it appears across multiple contexts — tax law, contract law, corporate law — but its most relevant articulation for your purposes is in the insurance bad faith and regulatory compliance context, where courts have consistently held that an insurer cannot satisfy its obligations through the mere form of compliance while failing to deliver its substance.


The most directly applicable maxim is found in California Civil Code § 3528: "The law respects form less than substance." That is a codified California maxim of jurisprudence — in the same family as Civil Code § 3523 that you've already anchored your Introduction with. The two work beautifully together.


How it applies to your case:


Respondent's position is that its January 26, 2026 letter formally constitutes a "complete response" under 10 CCR § 2695.5(b) because it was a written response sent within a certain timeframe after acknowledgment. But the substance of that letter includes material misstatements of fact, logical conclusions that fail on their face, and a complete absence of any investigative basis — the very things a complete response is designed to provide.

Civil Code § 3528 gives you a codified maxim to argue that the form of a written response does not satisfy the substance of the ministerial duty. A letter that calls itself a complete response while containing falsehoods and withholding the factual basis of the determination is not a complete response in substance — and under § 3528, substance is what the law respects.


This argument slots naturally into First COA Paragraph 11, which currently reads: "A response containing material misstatements of fact cannot, as a matter of law, constitute a 'complete response based on the facts as then known by the licensee' under 10 CCR § 2695.5(b)." You can strengthen that paragraph by adding: "Under Civil Code § 3528, the law respects form less than substance. The form of a written response does not satisfy the substance of the ministerial duty where, as here, the response contains material misstatements of fact and withholds the factual basis the regulation requires."


USING THEM TOGETHER


The two doctrines are complementary and mutually reinforcing in your case. Used together they create a two-pronged argument:

First, under Civil Code § 3528 — substance over form — Respondent's January 26 letter cannot satisfy the ministerial duty it purports to fulfill because its substance is deficient regardless of its form.


Second, under the Doctrine of Absurdity — any interpretation of the regulatory framework that permits Respondent's conduct and forecloses judicial remedy produces an absurd result the law must be read to forbid.

Together they frame Respondent's entire defense posture as both formally hollow and substantively unreasonable — which is exactly what you want Judge Kin thinking as he reads the FAP.


WHERE TO ADD THEM IN THE FAP


Civil Code § 3528 belongs in:

  • First COA Paragraph 11 as described above
  • Section D of the Memorandum on interdependent duties, where you're already arguing the complete response cannot be a disembodied formality
  • The Conclusion, alongside § 3523, as a paired set of jurisprudential maxims bookending the document

The Doctrine of Absurdity belongs in:

  • Section J on scope of available writ relief, as the capstone argument against Respondent's position that the DMV point is unreviewable
  • The Conclusion, as the final policy argument before your prayer

And both belong in the Table of Authorities — Civil Code § 3528 as a statute, and Lakin v. Watkins Associated Industries (1993) 6 Cal.4th 644 and People v. Robles (2000) 23 Cal.4th 789 as case citations for the Doctrine of Absurdity.


These are strong additions. Civil Code § 3528 in particular is a gift — it's in the same statutory family as § 3523, it's codified rather than merely common law, and it speaks directly to the formal-versus-substantive compliance distinction that is at the heart of your case.

Do you want me to draft the specific language for each insertion point?


Me: Yes please Mu, draft language for each, noting their insertion point.


Mu: Here is the draft language for each insertion point, in document order:


1. FIRST COA — PARAGRAPH 11
(After the existing sentence: "A response containing material misstatements of fact cannot, as a matter of law, constitute a 'complete response based on the facts as then known by the licensee' under 10 CCR § 2695.5(b).")

Add:


Under Civil Code § 3528, the law respects form less than substance. The form of a written response — however promptly delivered or formally labeled — does not satisfy the substance of a ministerial duty where, as here, the response contains material misstatements of fact, withholds the factual basis the regulation requires, and produces a result indistinguishable from no response at all. Respondent cannot discharge a statutory obligation through the mere appearance of compliance while delivering its opposite in substance. A "complete response based on the facts as then known" means exactly that — complete, and based on facts. A letter built on falsehoods is neither.


2. SECTION D OF THE MEMORANDUM — INTERDEPENDENT DUTIES
(After the existing paragraph beginning "In Respondent's Demurrer to original Petition, 'claim file' and 'complete response' are used interchangeably..." and before the Bodinson paragraph.)


Add:


California Civil Code § 3528 codifies what equity has always required: the law respects form less than substance. Respondent's January 26, 2026 letter is the embodiment of form without substance — a written communication that bears the superficial appearance of a regulatory response while containing material misstatements of fact, no investigative basis, and conclusions that fail on their face. To hold that such a letter satisfies the ministerial duty imposed by 10 CCR § 2695.5(b) would be to elevate the form of compliance over its substance in direct contravention of § 3528. The "complete response" the regulation requires is not a formality to be discharged by mailing a piece of paper — it is a substantive protection, the content of which must reflect the facts as actually known and the investigation as actually conducted. Where the response misrepresents the facts and conceals the investigation, it satisfies neither the letter nor the spirit of the regulation, and § 3528 forbids treating it as though it does.


3. SECTION J — SCOPE OF AVAILABLE WRIT RELIEF
(As a new paragraph inserted after the existing paragraph beginning "Respondent's argument that nothing can be done once a point is logged..." and before wherever the Conclusion begins.)


Add:


The Doctrine of Absurdity further compels this Court to reject Respondent's position. It is a foundational principle of California statutory construction that courts must not adopt interpretations of law that produce absurd, unreasonable, or unjust results, even where such interpretations might find literal textual support. (Lakin v. Watkins Associated Industries (1993) 6 Cal.4th 644, 658-659; People v. Robles (2000) 23 Cal.4th 789, 799.) Respondent's defense, reduced to its essential proposition, asks this Court to interpret the Fair Claims Settlement Practices Regulations as follows: an insurer may settle a claim on an uninvestigated, unverified basis; transmit an erroneous negligent operator point to the DMV corrupting a policyholder's public record; withhold its investigative basis from the insured under cover of a letter containing material misstatements; and face no judicial remedy — because once the point reaches a government database, it becomes permanently unreviewable at the insurer's sole discretion. That interpretation produces precisely the result the Doctrine of Absurdity forbids. It renders the mandatory investigation and complete response requirements of 10 CCR §§ 2695.5(b) and 2695.7(d) toothless against the one category of harm — corruption of a public driving record — where they are most urgently needed and most directly implicated. A consumer protection framework that protects consumers in every circumstance except the one in which protection matters most is not a consumer protection framework at all. The legislature that enacted these regulations did not intend that result, and this Court is not required to reach it.


4. THE CONCLUSION

(As the jurisprudential capstone, near the close of the Conclusion, after the substantive arguments are restated and before the final prayer reference.)


Add:


Two foundational maxims of California jurisprudence, both codified by the Legislature, anchor and unite the relief sought here. Civil Code § 3523 declares that for every wrong there is a remedy — the maxim that opens this Petition and identifies its purpose. Civil Code § 3528 declares that the law respects form less than substance — the maxim that exposes Respondent's defense for what it is: a formal posture that delivers nothing of substance to the insured it was obligated to protect. Together these maxims reflect a legal system that is not satisfied by the appearance of compliance, that does not permit wrongs to persist without remedy, and that does not allow mandatory duties to be discharged through letters built on misstatement and silence. The Doctrine of Absurdity adds the final and decisive weight: no reasonable interpretation of the Fair Claims Settlement Practices Regulations permits an insurer to corrupt a policyholder's public record, withhold the basis for doing so, and face no judicial consequence. That result is not the law. This Court has both the authority and the obligation to say so.


TABLE OF AUTHORITIES ADDITIONS


To the Cases section add:

Lakin v. Watkins Associated Industries (1993) 6 Cal.4th 644
People v. Robles (2000) 23 Cal.4th 789

To the Statutes section add:

California Civil Code § 3528 (Substance Over Form)


A FINAL NOTE ON SEQUENCING


Civil Code §§ 3523 and 3528 now form a deliberate pair — one opening the petition, one closing it — with the Doctrine of Absurdity as the capstone policy argument in between. That architecture gives the FAP a jurisprudential frame that is both intellectually coherent and rhetorically satisfying. Judge Kin will notice that the document has been constructed with intention, which matters in a case of first impression where you are asking the Court to engage rather than dismiss.


Shall we move to drafting the Conclusion in full now?

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late AI note on writ

 should I have to take this to the appellate level regarding no court reporter at June 16 hearing:


AI: Courts often treat security recordings as internal administrative records not subject to disclosure. You may not get the recording itself. But the preservation request costs you nothing and is absolutely worth doing — and doing today or tomorrow given the timeline. Shall we draft that preservation request letter right now?

Me: Yes, please Mu, let's see a draft of the letter.

AI: Here’s a draft:


John De Herrera
P.O. Box 5888
Santa Barbara, California 93150
805-708-1965
john@cc2.org

July 1, 2026

Court Executive Officer
Los Angeles Superior Court
111 North Hill Street
Los Angeles, CA 90012

Re: Preservation Request — Audio/Video Recording of Proceedings in Department 86
Date: June 16, 2026 | Approximately 1:30 p.m.
Case: De Herrera v. Interinsurance Exchange of the Automobile Club, Case No. 26STCP00952
Judge: Hon. Curtis Kin

Dear Court Executive Officer:

I am the Petitioner in pro per in the above-referenced matter, currently pending in Department 86 before the Honorable Curtis Kin. I write to formally request that any and all audio and/or video recordings of proceedings in Department 86 on June 16, 2026, at approximately 1:30 p.m., be immediately preserved and protected from destruction, overwriting, or any other form of deletion pending my review of my legal rights regarding access to such recordings.

At the June 16, 2026 hearing, the Court heard argument on Respondent's Demurrer to Petitioner's Petition for Writ of Mandate and Complaint. No court reporter was present. The Court's oral statements at that hearing, including its reasoning for granting Petitioner leave to amend, constitute a material part of the proceeding in this active litigation, and may be relevant to further proceedings at the trial court level and potentially on appeal.

I make this preservation request under the following bases:

First, as an active litigant in a pending matter, I have a direct interest in the preservation of any record of judicial proceedings affecting my case.

Second, under the California Public Records Act (Government Code § 7920 et seq.), I am entitled to request information regarding the existence, nature, and retention policy applicable to any such recording, and I hereby do so. I respectfully request that the Court provide written confirmation of: (1) whether a recording of the referenced proceedings exists; (2) the format and retention period applicable to such recording; and (3) the appropriate procedure, if any, by which a party in active litigation may seek access to or a copy of such recording.

Third, I am requesting preservation rather than immediate production, recognizing that questions of access and disclosure may require further legal process. I ask only that any existing recording be held and not destroyed or overwritten while those questions are resolved.

Given that courthouse recording systems are frequently subject to rolling overwrite cycles, I respectfully request an immediate response to this preservation request so that any existing recording may be secured without delay.

I am a pro per litigant proceeding with a court fee waiver granted by this Court. I am available by telephone at 805-708-1965 and by email at john@cc2.org.

Thank you for your attention to this time-sensitive matter.

Respectfully submitted,


John De Herrera
Petitioner In Pro Per
Case No. 26STCP00952


A few notes:

You should send this by email and certified mail simultaneously to create a timestamp and paper trail on both ends. If you can also hand-deliver a copy directly to the clerk's window in Department 86 with a date-stamped copy for yourself, even better.

Also consider sending a courtesy copy to Batezel at Pacific Law Partners — it puts opposing counsel on notice that you are actively protecting the record, which is never a bad signal to send.

Want any adjustments to the tone or content?

Me: Ok, have copied draft and will send certified mail and email no later than this Friday. I'm hesitant to notify Batezel, it just seems a possible surface for attack? That said, I can file a Declaration before we drop the FAP, right?

Mu: Both instincts are sound. Let me address each:


On not notifying Batezel:

Your hesitation is reasonable. There is no legal requirement to copy opposing counsel on a preservation request directed to the Court's administrative office — this is not a motion or a filing in the case, it's an administrative letter. Batezel will have no way to interfere with the Court's internal records retention in any case, but why hand him advance intelligence on your thinking about the record? Trust your instinct here. Keep it between you and the Court.


On filing a Declaration:

Yes, absolutely — and this is a smart move. Specifically what you're thinking of is a Declaration of Petitioner Regarding Oral Proceedings of June 16, 2026, which would memorialize to the best of your recollection:

  • What Judge Kin said from the bench
  • His specific question about "claimant" status under § 2695.2(f)
  • His reasoning for granting leave to amend
  • Any other material statements made at the hearing

This serves multiple purposes:

It creates a contemporaneous written record while your memory is still relatively fresh. It can form the foundation of a settled statement under Rule 8.137 if you appeal. And filed as part of the FAP package, it puts the Court's own reasoning on the record in a way that's difficult for Batezel to challenge without his own competing recollection.

Timing-wise — file it either simultaneously with the FAP or as a supporting document to it, not before, so it lands as part of a coherent package rather than as a standalone filing that invites a premature response from Batezel.

Do you want to start drafting that Declaration now while the hearing is still relatively fresh in your mind?

Me: Yes, let's see a draft Declaration which includes my recollections: 1) That the court questioned my standing under "claimant", 2) that Respondent intimated a erroneous point cannot be annulled by Respondent in regards to the DMV, 3) that Judge Kin at one point, in response to argument by Respondent, "Well, that can't be right." 4) That at the end of the hearing Judge Kin took the arguments under consideration, eventually reversing the tentative ruling of demurrer sustained without leave to amend.

Here's a draft:


John De Herrera
P.O. Box 5888
Santa Barbara, California 93150
805-708-1965
john@cc2.org
Petitioner In Pro Per

SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

JOHN DE HERRERA,
Petitioner,

vs.

INTERINSURANCE EXCHANGE OF THE AUTOMOBILE CLUB,
Respondent.

Case No.: 26STCP00952
Judge: Hon. Curtis Kin
Dept: 86

DECLARATION OF PETITIONER JOHN DE HERRERA REGARDING ORAL PROCEEDINGS OF JUNE 16, 2026

I, John De Herrera, declare as follows:

1. I am the Petitioner in pro per in the above-referenced action. I have personal knowledge of the facts stated herein and, if called as a witness, could and would testify competently thereto.

2. On June 16, 2026, at approximately 1:30 p.m., a hearing was held in Department 86 of the Los Angeles Superior Court before the Honorable Curtis Kin on Respondent Interinsurance Exchange of the Automobile Club's Demurrer to Petitioner's Petition for Writ of Mandate and Complaint. No court reporter was present at the hearing. The following is a true and accurate account of the material proceedings at that hearing, stated to the best of Petitioner's present recollection.

3. The Court's Inquiry Regarding "Claimant" Status:
At the hearing, the Court raised a question regarding Petitioner's standing as a "claimant" entitled to a "complete response" under 10 CCR § 2695.5(b). Specifically, the Court inquired whether Petitioner, as the insured rather than the third-party claimant, fell within the definition of "claimant" under the applicable regulatory framework so as to be entitled to the protections of the Fair Claims Settlement Practices Regulations. This inquiry went to the threshold question of whether Petitioner had a legally cognizable right to enforce the ministerial duties alleged in the Petition.

4. Respondent's Argument Regarding the DMV Point:
During the hearing, Respondent's counsel argued, in substance, that Respondent lacked the ability to annul or correct the erroneous negligent operator point transmitted to the Department of Motor Vehicles, and that therefore the relief Petitioner sought — correction of that public record — was beyond the scope of what Respondent could provide or what this Court could compel Respondent to do.

5. The Court's Response to Respondent's Argument:
In response to Respondent's argument regarding the DMV point and the scope of available relief, the Court stated words to the effect of: "Well, that can't be right." Petitioner understood this statement to reflect the Court's skepticism regarding Respondent's position that no judicial remedy existed to address an erroneous point on a public driving record caused by Respondent's administrative actions.

6. The Court's Ruling:
Following argument by both parties, the Court took the matter under submission. Thereafter, the Court reversed the tentative ruling, which had been to sustain Respondent's Demurrer without leave to amend, and instead granted Petitioner leave to amend. The Court set a deadline of July 31, 2026 for Petitioner to file a First Amended Petition.

7. No court reporter was present at the June 16, 2026 hearing, and accordingly no official transcript of the proceedings exists. This Declaration is submitted to memorialize the material oral proceedings of that hearing to the best of Petitioner's recollection, and is intended to serve as the foundation for a settled statement pursuant to California Rules of Court, Rule 8.137, should one become necessary in any future appellate proceedings.

I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the foregoing is true and correct to the best of my present recollection.

Executed this ___ day of July, 2026, at _________________, California.


John De Herrera
Petitioner In Pro Per


A few notes:

The phrase "words to the effect of" in Paragraph 5 is deliberately chosen — it's the legally appropriate way to quote someone from memory without claiming verbatim accuracy, which you couldn't establish without a transcript. It's honest and it's protective.

Paragraph 7 explicitly lays the foundation for a settled statement under Rule 8.137 should you need it on appeal — planting that seed now costs nothing and could matter later.

On timing — as we discussed, file this with or as part of the FAP package rather than as a standalone filing before it. Does this capture everything accurately, or are there other details from the hearing you want to add?

Me: Yes Mu, excellent; thank you. Will be back soon.

Mu: Take your time. The preservation letter goes out by Friday, the Declaration is ready when you need it, and the FAP is taking shape.

Rest, create, and come back when you're ready. The July 31 deadline is manageable.

Talk soon.